Five years: ‘A football book travels around the world’

Felix Schneider painted the cover of the book.

A sporty ‘Servus’ to the big, wide football world!

Our project ‘A football book travels around the world’ is celebrating its fifth anniversary today. On the final day of the 2018 Men’s World Cup in Russia, patron Urs Meier handed it over to former professional and now successful coach Gernot Rohr.

Numerous football legends have since filled the pages of the book with life, enriching it with their personal stories, experiences and anecdotes. Lutz Pfannenstiel, Bjarne Goldbaek, Moritz Volz, Danni Karbassiyoon, Ryan Smith, Michael Lahoud, Kelly Conheeney, Nicole Baxter, Sabrina Flores, Brianna Pinto, Anson Dorrance, Madi Pry, Talia DellaPeruta: the once empty collection of pages now reads like a little museum of football. And more internationally scattered, football-enthusiastic authors will follow. Currently, the book is with Scottish international Christy Grimshaw in Milan.

The football book has travelled a remarkable route so far. Photo: Lisa Schatz

About the project

In 2018, I had the idea of sending an empty book on a world tour, which people from the world of football should fill with their stories in their respective national languages. There are no limits to creativity. People are allowed to write, draw and make things. Only a maximum of three pages per person is required. The rules of the game are written in different languages on the first pages of the book. We welcome your own stories from the football pitches and stadiums, memories of special matches, football-related experiences, pictures, old newspaper articles, descriptions of social projects in football, opinions on football-specific issues, criticism (of course in line with the FAIR PLAY principle) and thoughts on how football unites people. Racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic and fascist content is absolutely forbidden. In the end, a book is to be produced in which referees, coaches, players, fans, sports scientists, volunteers, sports journalists, fan project staff, sports psychologists, referees, managing directors of professional and amateur clubs from the most diverse leagues and countries have written in (a maximum of two per club).

Johanna Busch designed the back of the book.

The cover and the back of the book were designed by Felix Schneider and Johanna Busch. The artists were arranged by Werner Müller. The „rules of the game“ for the book were formulated by myself. Carolina J. Mondi, Philippe Matic Arnauld des Lions, Jürgen Schreiner and I acted as translators.

The message of the book is as follows: football unites people. The central question is: „Can WE all, TOGETHER, manage to get such a project off the ground, which will WIDEL the TEAM spirit in football internationally?“ The exciting thing: Everyone who immortalises themselves in the book decides for themselves to whom they pass on or send the book. Thus, the route of the book is always a surprise.

Goal of the book: social purposes

If everything works out and if the book is finally filled up to the last page, the project initiator will look for companies/associations via her blog and presumably other media who would like to donate a sum of money in order to be able to display the book at their place for a certain period of time. The COMPLETE amount of money donated will then go to one or more social project(s) selected by the jury (consisting of Urs Meier, Armin Wolf and Lisa Schatz). The project ultimately only comes about if ALL work together.

Voices

Urs Meier gives the football book to Gernot Rohr.
Photo: Urs Meier

Patron Urs Meier says: ‘I am incredibly convinced by the project. It connects people in football and, moreover, it is for a good cause. Above all, the book is supposed to travel around the world. I find that mega exciting. That’s exactly what football is all about: this world-spanning, this partly unpredictable, predictable, foreseeable thing. That’s exactly what the book embodies. Ultimately, it should stand for what football stands for: For openness in all areas of life – towards other cultures, other skin colours, religions. It should stand for fair play and for thinking differently – that we don’t forget the weak who are not lucky enough to be able to practise this wonderful hobby, that we also support them with this action. That’s what the book stands for.’ But he also criticises: ‘Now the book has been on the way for five years. Of course, I would have liked it if it had been finished much faster, if it had always been passed on much faster. Unfortunately, that is not the case. That is also part of our society, of people. That one or the other is not so reliable. Nevertheless, I hope that the book will be full of many wonderful stories. It’s nice to be able to hear such stories again and again. Often they are ones that no one has heard before, that have never been in the media or in a book. That these are really very personal, great stories. I’m happy when it comes back and when it’s finished. I hope that we will then be able to experience a happy ending together.’

Madi Pry.
Photo: UNC Athletics Communication

Former TarHeels player Madi Pry explains: ‘I decided to be part of the football book project team because if one person read my story and was able to relate to it or be inspired by even just one part of it, then it would be worth it. My soccer story involved lots of injuries and set backs and I know many others do too, so I wanted to add my story to the book in hopes to make someone else who has dealt with adversity feel seen and heard.’

Anson Dorrance describes: ‘First of all, I absolutely loved it for all kinds of reasons. I am a globalist. So for me, one of the many things I love about our game is the fact that it is a global sport. And so to see how we are all connected through our connections of love for the game is a part of the reason I absolutely love what I do. And another thing that was really cool for me, was to connect with the person who gave me the book [Madi Pry]. When she gave it to me, obviously I had no issue jumping in with both feet because she was a very special player for me and a very special person. So for all of those reasons, it is all about connection. What is important for me? It is important for me how this connects all of us. That’s what I like most about this project, is it literally connects all of us. It’s not one country, it’s multi-national and there are so many good things about being multi-national. I am a globalist, I was born and raised all over the world. I was born and raised in Bombay, India: lived there for three years, moved to Calcutta, lived there for three years; Nairobi, Kenya: lived there for three years; Addis Ababa, Ethiopia: three years, Singapore, Malaysia: three years. Then my family moved to Brussels, Belgium. When we were there I was sent to a Swiss Boarding School. So I was born and raised all over the world and I have loved that. I have loved that part of my background. So for me, this project is almost so similar to my life story.’

Anson Dorrance at work as Coach of the Tar Heels.
Photo: UNC Athletics Communication

The coach of the 1991 world champions adds: ‘Our world community is something that is going to stay alive partially through what you’ve done. So I thought that was very, very cool. I feel connected to everyone indirectly through the game.’ Furthermore, Anson Dorrance says: ‘One of the worst things about the global community is when we are in war with each other so I think this is almost like the antidote to a global community at war which is clearly what is happening right now between Russia and the Ukraine. So what’s the antidote? The anti-poison is a book like this that connects us, that does not separate us or cause us to go to war with each other. So for me, I think that is a wonderful way to frame it since – you are right – that was a period when Russia was embraced because they didn’t want war with anyone. So obviously the world had no issue going to Russia to compete. But now if they applied to host the event, they would never get it because of their behavior.’

Thanks!

Urs Meier and I with the football book. We are very happy about our team members. Photo: Lisa Schatz

I would especially like to thank all those who made it possible to start the project in this way. Above all, my thanks go to Johanna Busch and Felix Schneider, who designed the outer pages of the book – as well as to the translators Carolina Mondi, Philippe Matic Arnauld des Lions and Jürgen Schreiner. A big thank you goes to Werner Müller for putting me in touch with the two artists. Furthermore, I would like to thank Urs Meier for his great support of my crazy idea. Thanks also to Armin Wolf for his immediate agreement to participate in the jury. And of course thanks to all those who have already filled the book with content, which is really extremely diverse. The book shows how much football can weld people together and brings out highs as well as lows, exciting as well as poignant, impressive stories. I am honoured that we have so many personalities and different characters in the team. It is also worth mentioning that all team members are 100 per cent volunteers.

How the crazy project was born

The idea for the book came about relatively spontaneously. Shortly before a move, I gave a friend my friendship album to write in and my eye fell a little later on a children’s book by Dietmar Brück and Ulla Klopp about a ball that travels through different countries. Since I have been very football-mad for a long time, I wanted to start a project that shows how much football connects people and at the same time move something for a good cause. The whole thing only works if everyone really pulls together. I’m excited to see if it works.

Interviews and information around the book

Should you, dear readers, want to dive into some of the stories surrounding the football book, here is some info on the journey of the book as well as a few interviews:

Let’s be surprised which way the book will take next…!

Sportive regards

Lisa Blue

For reasons of better readability, the language forms male, female and diverse (m/f/d) are not used simultaneously. All personal terms apply equally to all genders.

Fünf Jahre: „Ein Fußballbuch reist um die Welt“

Die Vorderseite des Buchs wurde von Felix Schneider gemalt.

Ein sportliches „Servus“ in die große, weite Fußballwelt!

Unser Projekt „Ein Fußballbuch reist um die Welt“ feiert heute sein fünftes Jubiläum. Am Finaltag der Männer-WM 2018 in Russland übergab Schirmherr Urs Meier dem ehemaligen Profi und heutigen Erfolgstrainer Gernot Rohr das Buch.

Zahlreiche Kicker-Legenden haben seitdem die Seiten des Buches mit Leben gefüllt und es mit ihren persönlichen Geschichten, Erlebnissen und Anekdoten bereichert. Lutz Pfannenstiel, Bjarne Goldbaek, Moritz Volz, Danni Karbassiyoon, Ryan Smith, Michael Lahoud, Kelly Conheeney, Nicole Baxter, Sabrina Flores, Brianna Pinto, Anson Dorrance, Madi Pry, Talia DellaPeruta: Die einst leere Blattsammlung liest sich mittlerweile wie ein kleines Museum des Fußballs. Und weitere international verstreute, fußballenthusiastische Autorinnen und Autoren werden folgen. Aktuell befindet sich das Buch bei der schottischen Nationalspielerin Christy Grimshaw in Mailand.

Das Fußballbuch hat bislang eine beachtliche Route zurückgelegt. Foto: Lisa Schatz

Über das Projekt

Im Jahr 2018 hatte ich die Idee, ein leeres Buch auf Weltreise zu schicken, das Menschen aus dem Fußballbereich in ihrer jeweiligen Landessprache mit ihren Geschichten füllen sollen. Dabei sind der Kreativität keine Grenzen gesetzt. Es darf geschrieben, gezeichnet und gebastelt werden. Vorgeschrieben sind lediglich maximal drei Seiten pro Person. Die Spielregeln stehen in verschiedenen Sprachen auf den ersten Buchseiten. Erwünscht sind eigene Geschichten, die auf den Bolzplätzen, in den Stadien erlebt wurden oder Erinnerungen an besondere Spiele, Erlebnisse rund um den Fußball, oder Bilder, alte Zeitungsartikel, Beschreibungen sozialer Projekte im Fußball, Meinungen zu fußballspezifischen, Kritiken (natürlich unter Einhaltung des FAIR PLAY-Gedankens) und Gedanken dazu, wie der Fußball Menschen verbindet. Absolut verboten sind rassistische, sexistische, homo- und transphobe sowie faschistische Inhalte. Schlussendlich soll ein Buch entstehen, in welches Schiedsrichter, Trainer, Spieler, Fans, Sportwissenschaftler, Ehrenamtliche, Sportjournalisten, Fanprojekt-Mitarbeiter, Sportpsychologen, Zeugwarte, Geschäftsführer von Profi- und Amateurvereinen aus den unterschiedlichsten Ligen und Ländern hineingeschrieben haben (maximal zwei pro Verein).

Die Rückseite des Buchs hat Johanna Busch gestaltet.

Das Cover sowie die Rückseite des Buchs wurden gestaltet von Felix Schneider und Johanna Busch. Die Künstler wurden vermittelt von Werner Müller. Die „Spielregeln“ für das Buch wurden von mir formuliert. Als Übersetzer/-innen hierfür fungierten Carolina J. Mondi, Philippe Matic Arnauld des Lions, Jürgen Schreiner und meine Wenigkeit.

Die Botschaft des Buches ist folgende: FUßBALL VERBINDET MENSCHEN. Die zentrale Frage lautet: „Schaffen WIR alle es GEMEINSAM, ein solches Projekt auf die Beine zu stellen, das den TEAMgeist im Fußball international WIDERSPIEGELT?“ Das Spannende: Jeder, der sich im Buch verewigt, entscheidet selbst, wem er das Buch weitergibt oder schickt. Somit ist die Route des Buchs stets eine Überraschung.

Ziel des Buchs: Soziale Zwecke

Sofern alles funktioniert und wenn das Buch letztendlich bis zur letzten Seite gefüllt ist, wird die Projektinitiatorin über ihren Blog und voraussichtlich weitere Medien Firmen/Vereine suchen, die einen Geldbetrag spenden möchten, um das Buch für einen bestimmten Zeitraum bei sich ausstellen zu können. Der KOMPLETTE gespendete Geldbetrag geht anschließend an ein oder mehrere von der Jury (bestehend aus Urs Meier, Armin Wolf und Lisa Schatz) ausgewählte(-s) soziale(-s) Projekt(-e). Das Projekt kommt letztendlich nur zustande, wenn ALLE zusammenarbeiten.

Stimmen

Urs Meier bei der Übergabe des Fußballbuchs an Gernot Rohr.
Foto: Urs Meier

Schirmherr Urs Meier führt an: „Ich bin von dem Projekt unglaublich überzeugt. Es verbindet die Menschen im Fußball und zudem ist es für einen guten Zweck. Vor allem soll das Buch um die Welt reisen. Ich finde das mega spannend. Das ist genau das, was Fußball im Prinzip ausmacht: Dieses Weltumspannende, dieses zum Teil auch nicht Vorhersehbare, Vorhersagbare, Vorherschaubare. Genau das verkörpert das Buch. Es soll schlussendlich für das stehen, wofür der Fußball steht: Für Offenheit, in allen Bereichen des Lebens – gegenüber anderen Kulturen, anderen Hautfarben, Religionen. Es soll für Fairplay und für das anders Denken stehen – dass man auch die Schwachen, die das Glück nicht haben, dieses wunderbare Hobby ausüben zu können, nicht vergisst, dass man sie auch unterstützt mit dieser Aktion. Dafür steht das Buch.“ Doch er kritisiert auch: „Jetzt ist das Buch schon seit fünf Jahren unterwegs. Mir hätte es natürlich gefallen, wenn es viel schneller fertig wird, wenn man es viel schneller immer weitergegeben hätte. Das ist leider nicht der Fall. Auch das gehört zu unserer Gesellschaft, zu den Menschen. Dass der eine oder andere nicht so zuverlässig ist. Nichtsdestotrotz hoffe ich, dass das Buch voll wird mit vielen wunderbaren Geschichten. Es ist schön, dass man immer wieder solche Geschichten hören darf. Oft sind es solche, die noch niemand gehört hat, die noch nie in den Medien waren und noch in keinem Buch. Dass das wirklich ganz persönliche, tolle Geschichten sind. Ich freue mich, wenn es zurückkommt und wenn es fertig ist. Ich hoffe, dass wir dann gemeinsam ein Happy End erleben dürfen.“

Madi Pry. Foto: UNC Athletics Communication

Die ehemalige Spielerin der TarHeels, Madi Pry, erklärt, „dass sie sich für die Teilnahme am Fußballbuchprojekt entschieden habe, weil es sich gelohnt hat, wenn auch nur eine Person meine Geschichte gelesen hat und sich davon inspirieren lassen konnte, auch nur einen Teil davon. In meiner Fußballgeschichte gab es viele Verletzungen und Rückschläge, und ich weiß, dass es vielen anderen auch so geht. Deshalb wollte ich meine Geschichte in das Buch einbringen, in der Hoffnung, dass sich jemand anderes, der mit Widrigkeiten zu kämpfen hatte, gesehen und gehört fühlt.“

Anson Dorrance beschreibt, dass er das Projekt aus verschiedenen Gründen absolut geliebt habe. Er erläutert: „Ich bin ein Globalist. Für mich ist eines der vielen Dinge, die ich an unserem Sport liebe, die Tatsache, dass er ein globaler Sport ist. Zu sehen, wie wir alle durch unsere Liebe zum Fußball miteinander verbunden sind, ist einer der Gründe, warum ich meine Arbeit so liebe. Und noch etwas war wirklich cool für mich: die Verbindung zu der Person, die mir das Buch geschenkt hat [Madi Pry]. Als sie es mir gab, hatte ich natürlich kein Problem damit, mit beiden Füßen hineinzuspringen, denn sie war für mich ein ganz besonderer Spieler und ein ganz besonderer Mensch. Aus all diesen Gründen geht es also nur um die Verbindung. Was ist für mich wichtig? Für mich ist es wichtig, dass es uns alle verbindet. Das ist es, was mir an diesem Projekt am meisten gefällt: Es verbindet uns buchstäblich alle. Es ist nicht nur ein Land, sondern ein multinationales Projekt, und es gibt so viele gute Dinge daran, multinational zu sein. Ich bin ein Globalist, ich bin in der ganzen Welt geboren und aufgewachsen. Geboren und aufgewachsen bin ich in Bombay, Indien: dort habe ich drei Jahre gelebt, bin dann nach Kalkutta gezogen und habe dort drei Jahre gelebt; Nairobi, Kenia: dort habe ich drei Jahre gelebt; Addis Abeba, Äthiopien: drei Jahre, Singapur, Malaysia: drei Jahre. Dann zog meine Familie nach Brüssel, Belgien. Als wir dort waren, wurde ich auf ein Schweizer Internat geschickt. Ich bin also in der ganzen Welt geboren und aufgewachsen, und das hat mir gefallen. Ich habe diesen Teil meines Hintergrunds geliebt. Für mich ist dieses Projekt also fast so ähnlich wie meine Lebensgeschichte.“

Anson Dorrance bei seiner Arbeit als Trainer der Tar Heels.
Foto: UNC Athletics Communication

Der Trainer der Weltmeisterinnen von 1991 fügt hinzu: „Unsere Weltgemeinschaft ist etwas, das zum Teil durch das, was du getan hast, lebendig bleiben wird. Ich fand das also sehr, sehr cool. Ich fühle mich durch das Spiel indirekt mit allen verbunden.“ Zudem sagt Anson Dorrance: „Eines der schlimmsten Dinge an der Weltgemeinschaft ist, wenn wir uns gegenseitig bekriegen. Deshalb denke ich, dass dieses Spiel so etwas wie das Gegenmittel zu einer Weltgemeinschaft im Krieg ist, wie es im Moment zwischen Russland und der Ukraine der Fall ist. Das Gegengift, das Anti-Gift, ist also ein Buch wie dieses, das uns verbindet, das uns nicht trennt oder uns dazu bringt, gegeneinander in den Krieg zu ziehen. Für mich ist das eine wunderbare Art und Weise, es zu formulieren, denn – du hast Recht – es war eine Zeit, in der Russland willkommen war, weil es mit niemandem Krieg führen wollte. Die Welt hatte also kein Problem damit, nach Russland zu gehen, um sich dort zu messen. Aber wenn sie sich jetzt um die Ausrichtung der Veranstaltung bewerben würden, würden sie sie auf Grund ihres Verhaltens niemals bekommen.“

Danke!

Urs Meier und meine Wenigkeit mit dem Fußballbuch. Wir freuen uns sehr über unsere Teammitglieder. Foto: Lisa Schatz

Ich bedanke mich bei allen, die den Start des Projekts in diesem Rahmen überhaupt ermöglicht haben. Vor allem gilt mein Dank Johanna Busch und Felix Schneider, die die Außenseiten des Buchs gestaltet haben – sowie den Übersetzer/-innen Carolina Mondi, Philippe Matic Arnauld des Lions und Jürgen Schreiner. Ein großer Dank gilt Werner Müller für die Kontaktherstellung zu den beiden Künstlern. Darüber hinaus bedanke ich mich herzlich bei Urs Meier, der meine verrückte Idee so großartig unterstützt. Danke auch an Armin Wolf für seine sofortige Zusage zur Teilnahme an der Jury. Und natürlich Danke an all diejenigen, die das Buch bereits mit Inhalt gefüllt haben, der wirklich äußerst vielfältig ist. Das Buch zeigt, wie sehr der Fußball die Menschen zusammenschweißen kann und bringt  Höhen sowie Tiefen zum Vorschein, spannende sowie ergreifende, beeindruckende Geschichten. Es ist mir eine Ehre, dass wir so viele Persönlichkeiten und verschiedene Charaktere im Team haben. Zudem sei erwähnt, dass alle Teammitglieder zu 100 Prozent EHRENAMTLICH dabei sind.

Über die Entstehung des verrückten Projekts

Die Idee für das Buch entstand relativ spontan. Kurz vor einem Umzug habe ich einem Freund mein Freundschaftsalbum gegeben, in das er hineinschreiben sollte, und mein Blick fiel wenig später auf ein Kinderbuch von Ulla Klopp und Dietmar Brück, in dem es um einen Ball geht, der durch verschiedene Länder reist. Da ich schon länger sehr fußballverrückt bin, wollte ich ein Projekt starten, das zeigt, wie sehr der Fußball die Menschen verbindet und zugleich etwas für den guten Zweck bewegen. Das Ganze funktioniert nur, wenn wirklich alle an einem Strang ziehen. Ich bin gespannt, ob das klappt.

Interviews und Informationen rund um das Buch

Solltet ihr, liebe Leserinnen und Leser, in ein paar der Geschichten rund um das Fußballbuch eintauchen wollen, so findet ihr hier einige Infos zur Reise des Buchs sowie ein paar Interviews:

Lassen wir uns überraschen, welchen Weg das Buch als Nächstes einschlägt…!

Sportliche Grüße

Lisa Blue

Aus Gründen der besseren Lesbarkeit wird auf die gleichzeitige Verwendung der Sprachformen männlich, weiblich und divers (m/w/d) verzichtet. Sämtliche Personenbezeichnungen gelten gleichermaßen für alle Geschlechter.

Football Book – Update No. 10: From Sabrina Flores to Brianna Pinto

Dear soccer fans!

Our book has now arrived in North Carolina at Brianna Pinto. Brianna is a midfielder and has already gained some international experience. She attended her first US National Team Camp at the early age of 12. In 2016 she participated in the U17 World Cup in Jordan and in 2018 in the U20 World Cup in France.

Our interview turned into a rather casual and very nice conversation about Brianna’s story, her experiences in college soccer, and how small the big soccer world really is….

Just read it for yourself… 🙂 Enjoy!

Brianna Pinto’s goal celebration against New Jersey/New York Gotham FC. Photo: Andy Mead – USA TODAY Sports

Brianna, you got the soccer book from Sabrina Flores. How did it work and why did you decide to take part in this ‚litte crazy‘ project?

I think the project is super cool. I think it’s so beautiful to see so many different people contribute to a project that surrounds soccer and I got the book from Sabrina. She left it for me and she said “Hey, I think you had a really interesting story in your journey through professional soccer rank, so I wanted to leave this book for you to write in.”

I took a look at all the other stories, and I was sure that I wanted to contribute to this book because I think it’s a really beautiful thing. This was the most amazing project I have ever seen, so I love that.

Do you want to tell a little bit about your story you want to write in?

My name is Brianna Pinto, I grew up in Durham, North Carolina. It was my lifelong dream to play for the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. Because a number of the best players in the world played there, like Mia Hamm, Kristine Lilly and Cindy Parlow, who is now the president of US soccer.

It is amazing because one of the coolest things I have gotten to do is represent US national team from the age of 12 all up to now, and during my cycle with the Under 20 national team, I was selected to be the US youth representative for the United Bid Committee. I went to Russia during the 2018 World Cup and I attended the 60th FIFA Congress with Diego Lainez of Mexico and Alphonso Davies of Canada, and we delivered speeches as a part of the United 2026 committee about why the World Cup should be hosted in North America in 2026. So, it was just such an impressive experience because we spoke in front of the FIFA, which is an organization what we have played for. It has always been my dream to play in a Senior World Cup, and I was fortunate to see how FIFA runs on a day to day basis, meet the president Gianni Infantino, and have many nations across the world support the United Bid to have the World Cup come to North America in 2026. It was such a fulfilling experience, and as a woman and an African-American person, being a representative for a Men’s World Cup was really powerful. I rave about how cool it was. Like bringing the World Cup home… (she has got a big smile on her face…) So that’s the story that I want share because I got to be in the spotlight with two worldwide superstars. It was just such a fulfilling experience.

Great story, great story, thank you so much.

North Carolina Courage midfielder Brianna Pinto (top centre) celebrates her goal with teammates during the match against New Jersey/New York Gotham FC at Sahlen’s Stadium.
Photo: Andy Mead – USA TODAY Sports

Let’s talk about yourself. What do you like most about soccer? For sure, you’ve told that you’ve started at the age of 12 in a bigger team. So, it was just about friendships and having fun in the beginning or was it also like ‚Oh, I really want to become a professional player‘?

I think for me, I come from a soccer family. My dad played in college when he was growing up. One of my biggest dream was to travel the world and I think that football is a global thing where you meet people from all over the world. You can travel anywhere and play because it’s played around the world. My dad said: “Football is a way to do that. If you continue kicking this ball and become good enough, you can represent the US and go on with traveling.’ Not only is traveling a great part of this experience, but I think what motivates me now is meeting wonderful people like you through this sport. And I get to have the most unlikely friendships in my lifetime. I think through this love for the game, we can compete in a really beautiful way and I think it’s so much fun to see World Cups and people from all across the world come together for one event. So, I’d say, to sum up my idea, the reason why I started playing is because I wanted to travel the world and I love to compete and I love making lifelong friendships with people along the way.

In the United States, you talk about College teams. Eleven years ago, there was the Women’s World Cup in Germany. I was there as a volunteer. So, in Germany, women’s soccer becomes more and more popular, but it’s quite hard in comparison to the men’s soccer. In my impression, women’s soccer is quite popular or famous in the US. So, how is at the moment? Do you work additionally to football / soccer or do you study or how does it work? And if you could change the system, what would you change?

I think that’s a wonderful question. One of the cool things about college soccer was Title IX. That was an amendment that passed in the 70s. Basically it allowed women to play sports in the United States. And they would receive the same amount of funding that the men’s team gets. So, in college sports, since soccer and field hockey or any other women’s sports are not revenue generating, we get money from the men’s (American) football team or men’s basketball team, so that we can function.

Basically, this allows us to have the nicest uniforms, to be able to travel the same ways the men’s teams do, to have the same quality hotels and things of that nature. That’s just an equal playing field for the men and the women teams. Also, in college sports you are required to get an education at the same time, which relieves a personal financial burden if you get a full scholarship. So I was a full scholarship recipient and I got my education paid for and I got to play a really quality level of soccer. As I was growing up, I got to watch all the best girls playing college soccer. In the last two decades, the professional levels became satisfactory enough to sustain the talent that they have. We are still working to reduce pay inequity and other systemic issues in professional women’s soccer.

College soccer is supported by major television networks, such as ESPN. We get a good amount of viewership because it is widely available. So it’s super popular here and I loved being part of such a successful era of women’s collegiate sports. I got to play at UNC-Chapel Hill, in one of the greatest college soccer dynasties in the country. We have 22 national Championships and that’s the most by far. I think the next closest is 3. So, one of the reasons I went there is I wanted to learn what it takes to become a US women’s national team member and because we have so many players there who went on to represent the United States National Team. Carolina is kind of embody the DNA you need to reach the international level.

So, one of the things that I would change is that when I was in college these last three years, you could not make money while you are in college. Under the “Name, Image & Likeness” legislation your school had your promotional rights and you were not allowed to profit off of things where your face or your signature were used.

But this past year, they changed the rules & student-athletes are now allowed to make money. You are essentially living like a pro while getting an education and I think that’s the best of both worlds. So the change that I wished to see when I was in college has recently happened and it is changing the lives of the student-athletes in such a positive way. In terms of where the game is going now, more girls are training with professionals at earlier ages. For example, I gave up my final year of eligibility, my senior year, to become a professional soccer player because I wanted to be able to be paid. I play against the highest competition, against international superstars from all over the world. And I just was ready for something new. So, the National Women’s Soccer League (NWSL) is becoming more sustainable and ready to support all of its players. More girls are moving from the college ranks to the pro ranks at earlier ages as you see in Europe. It’s a great experience but it’s definitely different.

Just quite another topic. You are a black person and I would like to ask: Did you ever make experiences with racism because I think in your former club, in New Jersey – I watched the pictures on instagram and I think that it’s not a topic anymore? Are there crazy fans?

Cause I think women soccer can’t be compared with men’s soccer because it’s not so much a theme: for example being gay. It’s not ‘a topic’ for us, in women soccer, in my eyes. So, how is your experience in the US?

Midfielder Brianna Pinto (white dress) and Houston Dash defender Katie Naughton battle for the ball during the second half at Texans PNC Stadium.
Photo: Maria Lysaker – USA TODAY Sports

I would say, while I have been afforded lots of privilege, I do recognize the hardships that many black players face when they are coming up through the ranks of soccer in the United States. For example, coaches often label black players by their physical attributes, which often leads to becoming a winger, or an outside back because they are fast. It’s not common for black players to play midfield, which is what I play. I think I am one of the most technically savvy people on the field. But a lot of times in the United States, black players are only recognized for their speed. I think it’s hard and especially in the professional ranks, one of the things I noticed is that there is a lot of movement for justice, but not necessarily for racial equity. For example, I am a huge proponent of the LGBTQ+ community, I would love to support them in any way that I can and I think the league does a good job of that.

However, I’d like to see the same efforts for black people who have troubles with racial inequality in the United States. I don’t feel like we consistently support our black players the same way we do for other minority groups. This includes how we distribute funding, even how we structure our demonstrations: Are they unified? Is everybody standing up for the same thing? And I can’t confidently say that this is achieved on a consistent basis.

Then I would like to come to your story. I think you experienced so much in the last years, so how did you make the decision what you want to write about? And you also told me about a photo… So, how much time did it take for having the decision and what’s the story behind?

So, it is the story about getting to go into the 60th FIFA congress. The reason I was actually selected for that position as the US youth representative was: I actually told a story about getting to play Iran in their first international match at the U19 level. And we were in a tournament in China. It was their first experience playing internationally. I don’t think the score line was even, but the game was more important than that.

We got to form relationships with the girls of Iran and we really get to know them as people off the field after the game. It was just a really beautiful experience because it reminded me and my teammates of how happy we were to have all the resources and the opportunities to play at the highest level, especially at these ages where this was their first opportunity. So, it made me consider: What can we as well-resourced nations do to provide more equity to nations that are just starting their journey with women’s sports?

The United States and Germany are two of the world powers in women’s soccer. So, in order for a game to grow across the world: Are we supporting other nations? And I know, obviously we are interested in our own countries winning, but I think whatever we can do to level the playing field, it’s going to make the game so much better in the future.

So, how did I decide to write about that? I think anybody can tell you about one of the games they played that they won, or how about winning a championship. But I think: The reason I chose to tell this story was because it encapsulates what football is all about. Because it’s how I got selected for that position in the FIFA event where we secured the hosting rights for the World Cup. It was about cultures coming together and supporting one another. That was a magnificent thing that can happen within FIFA. So, I wanted to tell the story.

Where did the tournament in China take place?

It took place in Guangzhou.

When we continued talking, we found out that Brianna met Lutz (Pfannenstiel; who is also one of the writers of the soccer book) a short time before.

I met him at the Mac Hermann event. I was there with two other college players. It was an event to celebrate the 3 best players in college soccer. So, just to see him in the book was really, really unique. (She flips through the book and shows me a photo…) This picture is my agent.

No, really?! Oh my gosh, I have to tell this Urs, the former referee who wrote the story about this and who loves the story. He was the initiator of having those people [players from USA and Iran] together for a picture.

I actually have a picture very similar to this. So, the story I told you about when we played Iran. We took a picture just like this. I send it to you. And I can include it in my page when I write it as well.

Wow!

(She points with her finger to a man in the picture.) He went to Carolina, UNC Chapel Hill, as well.

What’s his name?

Eddie Pope. And this is Claudio Reyna (she points to another man in the picture), his wife played for my coach at Carolina.

Oh, wow!

Yeah, it’s really unique.

It’s so cool! That’s soccer, such a little world…

Small world! (we laugh…)

So, small world again… 😊 Thanks a lot to Brianna for being a part of our international soccer book team!

Let’s see what stop in the small, wide soccer world the book heads to next!